Painting The Hull

[cbs]

I used awlgrip and had a pro do it , hull and topsides $3500 for everything including materials , it looks fantastic!  I painted the  bottom including barrier coat myself, thats where i belong where no one can see my work, it was brushed on the hull and sprayed on the deck. light blue with a little extra color on the hull, decks white and non skid bluewhite for contrast, I can't say enough for the pro painter  , at the dock or on the water always compliments, for me worth every penny. I posted a few pics when it was in the yard , if you like i can take a few more at the dock.
 
            regards, cbs, madras #272

[mbd]

I posted a few pics when it was in the yard , if you like i can take a few more at the dock.

Do you even need to ask?  

[ebb]

"Do you even need to ask? "

REALLY!
We want to see your boat!!!

[cbs]

sorry, had a opti regatta last weekend  which has taken over our sailing time as of late, could not get down to boat for pix. i will get some this weekend,

[cbs]

sorry it took so long to get a few pictures of #272 Madras, up anyway here are some shots at the dock here in Stuart Fl. , both hull and top sides are in awlgrip hopefully the contrasting nonskid color will show up.
     
     regards, cbs, P.S. 75 degrees and a good sailing day in S. Fl.

[ebb]

Must be that mirror finish!
Your boat has disappeared in reflections.

[tha3rdman]

Well the mess of PO paint is off 97's sides, now the paint choice looms, I originally had been thinking "perfection" but all that I've read says "whY" esspecially if roll and tipping, so I'm nearly set on Awlgrip, but which Awlgrip, Awlgrip 2, or Awlcraft 2000. Being as the house door could use a paint job I deemed it as a prime test bed to get a technique down.

[c_amos]

FWIW,
 
  I am two coats into a 3 or 4 coat topsides job with Interlux Brightsides.
 
I have followed the advice of the pannel, and am rolling the coats on very thin... I was suprised to finish the second coat today and still have some left of the first quart.....
 
I looked for the white foam rollers Mike spoke of.  I can find white foam, but I do not think they are the same.  They are not made in Germany, more like an Asian import...   They break down and leave bits of roller in the paint.
 
  I looked for the dark foam ones I had used with sucess doing the decks, to no avail.  I was talked into a short nap  roller and will post the results when the job is done.
 
  I am wetsanding between coats, it seems to be smoothing things out... I will let you know how it works out.

[c_amos]

.....with the exception of the boot stripe which had many coats of various kinds of paint, some which required a heat gun and scraper to get off. .....(I hope).
 
Dan

  I found the same thing.  I wonder if some folks don't tape and just use the boot stripe as a 'margin' to be over rolled with topsides and bottom paint?

[c_amos]

I looked for the white foam rollers Mike spoke of. I can find white foam, but I do not think they are the same. They are not made in Germany, more like an Asian import... They break down and leave bits of roller in the paint.

I looked for the dark foam ones I had used with sucess doing the decks, to no avail. I was talked into a short nap roller and will post the results when the job is done.....

 
  I was at the local box store... I asked about the 'good' foam rollers, and was told that the cheapies were all that was to be had (from the box store).  I was directed to a short nap roller, that was promised to apply the paint as smooth as I pleased... the sales person said they had painted with poly paints with it and it worked great.....
 
  I had the transom done, and was working up the port side (third coat) when Rose said I might want to go back and look at the transom.....
 
  When the paint laid down, there appeared about 1,000,000 little bits of lint in it. :eek:
 
  I quickly wiped all the paint I had applied off with thinner.... used 2 quarts and had paint dripping down my arms and burning my pits... :mad:
 
  I waited for that to dry, and continued applying my third coat with the second rate white foam rollers....
 
  When it dried I had to wet sand it, as there were still a few lint balls in the paint.  The fourth coat went on Saturday, I used a short nap epoxy roller sold to me by the boat yard I am working in.  It worked well, and with tipping the paint came out pretty good.

[c_amos]

My Haul out;
She looked pretty slimy on haul out;
 

 
The Slime layer was worst at the water line;
 

 
I had not scrubbed the hull since the fall. I normally dive on her for a good scrub before a race. The boot stripe paint has been failing since I got her, I do not think it was the correct type, and it has spent a good deal of it's life below water due to the boat being loaded with too much gear. I have tried to remove stuff, and for everything I take off I find I need to add two more. I will raise the waterline by about 1 ¾".
Sanding down the high spots, and filling the lows begins;
 

 
There are many, many pictures of this activity, I will spare you. Basically the process was to sand every inch with 80 grit, then with 100 grit I took down all the bad stuff I could see. The obvious bad spots were filled, and smoothed.
 
Interlux 'precoat' high build primer was then rolled over the whole thing and all the stuff that looked pretty good suddenly no longer did. Several rounds of wet sanding and filling took place over the next few days.
 
I thinned the topcoat (interlux brightsides) as thin as I dared, and rolled it on..... as you guys said it would it looked horrible! :eek:
 
It was so thin that you could see all the variations in the primer through it! Wet sanding only made matters worse, but the second coat seemed to help a little. I had thinned it so much that we did 2 coats with the first quart and still had paint to spare. We ended up doing 4 coats, 3 might have been fine but for the roller fiasco I mentioned earlier.
 
I went on applying thin coats, and wet sanding with 400 in between to remove the orange peel, and 'no-see'em's'.
 
Guys, here is a tip for you. Make sure you have a big stick with you because when the rest of the guys in the yard see your first mate wetsanding they will try to steel her from you.
 
We have been on the hard for over 2 weeks now, and Rose has been the only spouse I have seen working in the yard. When asked about this, she answers matter of factly "it's my boat too".
 
The port side after the tape comes off of the boot stripe;
 

 

 
The starboard bow;
 

 
We are still working on re-installing the s/s rubstrake. The hull to deck joint was dremmeled out, and the seam and screw holes were filled with thickened epoxy. I am bedding the rails in polyurethane (PL window and door, I love that stuff). It is messy work but should look nice and leak free (I hope) when I am done.

[mbd]

Finally some pics!  Looking fantastic Craig!

[commanderpete]

Ahhhh...the glory shots.

Craig has been on a mission.

Looks great. Keep the Faith

[ebb]

Well......last post from us was almost a year ago!(11/30/2006)  Andy finally shot the color.
He did an amazing job in the tight quarters of the tent.  I was the halogen light holder, and I had to hold the light facing the spray.  Thank the 3M gods I had a fairly decent half-face vapor mask.

He misted on 3 coats about 1/2 hour apart.  Amazingly there are no skips.  May be partially due to very professional light holding.  One thing, each stroke of the paint gun is started and stopped,  often instantaneous, there is NEVER a runon.  Every stroke is separate.  The cut was 25% thinner.  BUT I know I'll never get it:  Air moisture, time of day, wind conditions, temp.  Spray tip, air pressure, solvent mix, etc.  
Time and materials again.  A REAL deal because he charged me in half quarts, essentially for what he used - including the color.  If I had to buy all this stuff there would be all kinds of liquids left over.  And a DEEP excavation in the wallet.  He brought over a used hooded Tyvec coverall for me to wear - on the statement spreadsheet he charged me $2 for it!  That's style!


The result is truely spectacular.  Now that the lpu has dried and shall we say tightened up (lose of solvent) we have the barest barest barest hint of orange peel.  FLAWLESS hints!  Only a jerk like me notices this.  No runs and few curtains.  It's actually difficult because you get whoosey trying to find the surface to focus on it - because it is so shiney.  It's a FABULOUS mirror, almost no wobbles in the reflection, the endless fairing seems to have paidoff.  If I say so myself.

Little Gull's sexy transom sits outside the tent so you get a pretty good idea of the color.  It is a senrendip choice, that came from seeing other larger topsides  dressed in it.  It's a stand alone white.  No red, blue, grey, or green undertones,   appears warm, not piercing!  A NICE, LIVE white.

Now, how do I protect the topside where I have the stepladder?  That's where I impulsively used chocolate filler (407) at the last moment to repair a half a dozen ladder dings in the 545!
No evidence showed up!


3M makes a rainbow of colored masking papers, each for a special use. It is ususal to see greenish, gray and brown - the yellowish one, I've not seen on the shelves, does not imprint on new (dry) paint surfaces.  (Actually it is LINTLESS.)  According to Andy.  I used  the greenish, and under the tent blue taped 15" wide to the waterline and 6" over the toe rail.   Went thru a winter of damp and one last Joy detergent washdown and hose-off befor painting.  That's pretty good 3-wash paper!  It is tuff!  

What tape do you use on new (dry) paint.  The boss says 3M blue that is ORANGE inside the roll.  For a sharp no leak line (rather than any blue tape) the translucent greenish tape (Fine Line?) is still the way to go, BUT you have to take it off right away.  After more than a year, way more than a year on the waterline the original everyday bluetaped masking came off with minimal cussing.  Not a secret, it just was never in direct sun.

One of these days we'll show her flanks off in the Gallery.....

[Lucky Dawg]

We have been on the hard for over 2 weeks now, and Rose has been the only spouse I have seen working in the yard. When asked about this, she answers matter of factly “it’s my boat too”.

Cheers to Rose! Though on many occasions, Amy has hoisted paintbrush and tools for our various remodels at home, boat maintenance has come under my manly purview thus far at our house.
 
“it’s my boat too”. Well played, my dear!! To bastardize the toast on Pusser's bottle - "To the wind that blows, a boat that goes, and a lass who loves (her sailboat)!"