Ariel and Commander metalwork

[Commander 147]

I have a couple questions for the collective wisdom of everyone here on restoring the metalwork for my commander. When I'm done with her restoration I would really like to install the Commander emblem on the combing so when she is at the dock and people are strolling the dock looking at boats (like I often do) and they see this beautiful boat sitting there but don't know what she is they will be able to figure it out. But both of the emblems are corroded and one of them has a tine broken off of the trident. Also my hull plate is corroded as you can see in the picture below.
 
What are my options to correct my issues? Ariel 109 (Ben) I know you are really good with metal work. I hope you will chime in but I would also like to hear from anyone with experience restoring these parts.
 
Can these parts be restored to like new condition? Am I better to have them remade? I need advice.

[ebb]

(that is an old thread here)

Jerry,  That is at least one thread in the Forum here that covers this.
I don't know the key word(s).  The Search function for the Forum is very picky.

They are available new I think from Bristol Bronze, but not finished.

What you show in your photo looks to me in very good shape.
That's the two pronged Triton spear there, isn't it, on top of the blue peter?
Couldn't you have them plated?  Chromed?  Nickel would be perfect schmaltz.

Left plain would be cool, but the blue background  could be painted in after and clear coated.

I believe some threads also had photos of restored and/or new emblems and builder plates.
Here's a few:
>Commander Name Plates<  
> Commander Emblems <
> Name and logo trim piece <
> Pearson Ariel name plate <

What we need in our Search function is for it  to pick all these up at the same time.  
There are probably more.
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That Pearson logo flag is also found as a burgee, but not 'authentic'.
>flag chick< on ebay features the burgee on the page that came up with a three-prong staff and  navy blue,
but she advertises custom - and I think reasonable.
Maybe she could be persuaded to do it correctly???
All the other Pearson yacht owners might appreciate it.
I think the Pearson blue on the plate is called MEDIUM FLAG BLUE

[Commander 147]

Ebb
 
Thanks as always for your help. The Triton spear is supposed to be 3-pronged (my other one is) but one of the prongs broke off. After work today I will run some searches based on the info in your post to see if I can find the previous info.
 
Thanks again

[ebb]

Jerry,
Beg to differ.
I have a Pearson Triton burgee on my kitchen wall here, and I'm looking at it.

TWO PRONGS

Same on yer plates.
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DANG! I see what you mean on the builders plate.
But I'm half right, if not half fast:  Triton (certainly a 3 in that name) is really a two-pronger!

[Bill]

Search on "logo plate"

Here is what BB reported in 2004:

From Bristol Bronze: "The Commander Logo is in process now. We should have the initial batch of castings in about two weeks. The part number for the Commander logo will be BB0304 and it will sell for the same price as the Ariel logo."

Roger W.
Bristol Bronze
401-625-5224
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Note:
Plates are $50 each + $6.50 S&H

PO Box 101
Tiverton, RI 02878
401-625-5224
//www.bristolbronze.com

Suggest you use the part number when asking about the plate.

[mbd]

Some threads:
//www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showthread.php?212-Name-and-logo-trim-piece
http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showthread.php?1407-Commander-Emblems
http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showthread.php?355-Purchasing-amp-Chroming-Ariel-Nameplate
http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showthread.php?932-Bronze-Fittings-Hardware-source

[Commander 147]

I sent them an e-mail to see if the parts are still available. I'll report back.
 
Ebb
 
Here is a picture of both of my logo plates.
 
You know you would think one would be laid out opposite hand of the other but mine are not. Good thing you can't see both sides of the boat at the same time.

[ebb]

Wouldn't it have been great had Pearson done that!!!

But you could mount the starboard side logo plate
with the face in.  You're going to chrome both sides, right?


OR mount the starboard side emblem on the INSIDE of the starboard coaming.
WOW, what an inspiration.:rolleyes:

Of course, you have to be parked at your slip in the correct oogling direction to show off BOTH plates at once.

Somehow I don't think this bit of Pearson bling will make a bit of difference to what you will have when you're finally on parade!!!

[bill@ariel231]

Jerry

if you talk to Roger, please ask him to update his catalog. When i last talked to him i recall he also had the stem fitting for the triton (same as our part) and the Ariel Portlight frames cast from the patterns i made in 2005.

good luck,
bill@ariel231

PS. the 2008 catalog shows the following compatable parts:

BB6204 Commander Logo $105
BB4904 Ariel Logo $90

BB2106 Stem fitting $375

BB3506 Rudder Shoe $385

BB3101 Tiller fitting $215
BB3901 rudder cap $245

[Commander 147]

Mike (Ariel 414)
 
Somehow I missed your post. Thanks for the links I appreciate it.
 
Bill
 
I will call Roger to discuss and let you all know the results.

[Commander 147]

And all of the parts you listed Bill appear to still be available and based on the fact he told me the Commander logo was $105.00 each I think the prices are the same also.
 
I asked him if he was going to update his catalog soon and he said he had no plans to do it soon.
 
Roger is very interested in getting any original parts from our boats so he can make castings from those parts. He will return the original to the owner and then he can include these parts in his available listings going forward.
 
He said he had the large port lite available (I assume for the Ariel) but then he said it was 2 feet by 3 feet which did not make sense to me. I am contemplating sending him one of my fixed port lites so he can make a mold while they are out of the boat.

[Bill]

I am contemplating sending him one of my fixed port lites so he can make a mold while they are out of the boat.

Searching the board for port lights, etc., will turn up the following:

The Utah firm, Historical Arts and Castings, has the original Rostand molds for the large port lites, opening ports, tiller fittings and other hardware used in early Pearson yachts.  

Historical Arts and Casting, Inc
5580 W Bagley Park  Rd
West Jordan, UT 84088
801-280-2400
eden@historicalarts.com

[Lucky Dawg]

Here is a picture of both of my logo plates.

Jerry, I have a matching set!  3 prongs on one and 2 on the other.  Sadly, I was there when Prong Number Three snapped off the starboard triton.  Tried to reattach it with JB Weld, but it didn't make it through the chroming process.

[bill@ariel231]

Bill

I talked to Historic Arts a couple years back.. they don't have our tiller head fitting. the tiller castings on hand match the Pearson Vanguard (1.25" shaft) and the newer fin keel pearson 26. I ordered the larger fitting as an experiment. it was way too big for the ariel.

i don't know if anyone on the board has tried to chase down a set of portlights and opening ports from them. The on line catalog shows just the opening port.


roger has my molds for the Ariel portlights (if he can't find the patterns on the shelf, they are yellow with green markings indicating the pearsons that use the same part number). He probably has a set of rough castings on the shelf too from when my set was cast. here is a link to the thread:

http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showthread.php?1227-Large-Portlights


cheers,
bill@ariel231

[Commander 147]

Jerry, I have a matching set! 3 prongs on one and 2 on the other. Sadly, I was there when Prong Number Three snapped off the starboard triton. Tried to reattach it with JB Weld, but it didn't make it through the chroming process.

Kyle stay tuned. I sent the picture to Roger to make sure what he had matches my originals since his catalog does not show it but does list it. If so I will probably buy 2 new ones from him and have them chromed (or maybe not I might leave them bronze) and I will have the left over 3-pronged one I can send you.