Commander Line Drawing?

[ebb]

Kyle,  Aside from finding a great blueprint art piece of the Commander profile...
It looks like an assumption was made that the sails for Commander and Ariel are interchangeable. Is this so?
May have missed it but sails are not mentioned in our Manual equipment or promo lists.

Has anybody tried to interchange sails?   It seems noticable that the boom is carried higher on the Commander  which in my non-thinking assumption told me that the mainsails were the same.  Or actual masts from each could be measured viz masthead to gooseneck...

A sailloft that makes sails for both will have the measurements.

And masts on the two boats are in exactly the same position....Is this so?

If it really is not known if the sails are the same then both boats could be brought up to scale and measured by the above method.

If mast, boom and sails are the same (as they appear to be from the Manual)
You could take that nice interior view drawing of the Commander (pg109) and patch a nice Ariel sailplan drawing on top of it.


Notice, by the way, that someone, maybe Alberg, doodled in a BABY STAY on the small Commander profile in the upper right of pg109.
On another thread we discussed adding an inner stay.
Here it looks like Alberg beat us to it!


Then take it back to the copy-shop and have it enlarged to whatever size...
One inch to one foot.

[John]

I have called the Peabody-Essex Museum and they said they thought they had a set of plans for the Commander.  I didn't think to ask about the Ariel. They were the recipient of a number of Alberg's drawings.

[Lucky Dawg]

Per post #30 above, that isn't the story I got a couple weeks ago.  "Ariel/Commander hull, Ariel deck and sailplans"  I would be delighted if he was mistaken though!  Push on!

[John]

Kyle,

You have the best answer.   When I talked with the P-E museum, whomever I got said he did not have time to look but he thought both the Commander and Ariel plans were there.  If I would call back later he would look.   Phooey!!!!!!

[Lucky Dawg]

Certainly give it a try.  You are talking to someone different than I did or he would have said "uh, didn't I just have this conversation a couple weeks ago??"

[Bill]

FYI - Research by your association in 1999 - 2000 identified the Peabody as repository for some of Alberg's drawings.  We were able to obtain a copy of the "Ariel  & Commander Lines" drawing for reduction and inclusion in the association's Owner's Manual.  We are restricted from duplicating it for other purposes.  

Our research turned up no other Alberg drawings for such things as cabin layouts, deck plans or sail plans.  These drawings were executed by Pearson and we acquired copies sometime in the 1980's.  They are also published in the manual.  

As I recall, Peabody will sell a photograph of the lines drawing, but the cost quoted for that seemed unreasonable at the time.  Not to mention the difficulty identifying someone at Peabody who was knowledgeable and able to help

[ebb]

The Manual's interior plan and profile for the Ariel is not 'as built' so far
as A338 is/was concerned.  A number of inaccuracies and whimsicals.
It would be great to have an 'as designed' set of plans for both A/C....
Isn't Everett still on board?
You know, maybe they're in a closet somewhere?

[Lucky Dawg]

Any interest in an upgraded image of your yacht?  I saw the image below on the Saber website - trying to ID a rocket of a cabin cruiser that crossed my bow a week or so ago (that boat below - I don't think it is a Saber... at least 50' and absolutely flying down the lake.)
Anyway, the Commander drawing at left and the Saber image at right - I talked to a graphic designer here in town who said he could make my line drawing look like the Saber image to the tune of about $200-240.  Anyone interested in going in on such a production?  It would bring the price down, of course if we shared it amongst us.  No reason he couldn't do the same with the Ariel - and maybe at a bit less as the Commander hull line would already be created.  
 
I think the the old girls deserve to have better images at hand than we've been able to find elsewhere.