Paint it and sail it / Sani-Tred

[ebb]

That, of course, would be rediculous.  Even restricted to deck mats.  You'd trip over them.  Read this about TreadMaster, the glue on mats, the complaints were about the elevation change  of the mat on deck being dangerous and annoying.

That foto of yours there looks exactly like an antiskid I did once with gluvit and walnut shell,  Aggresive as a pit bull.  I think the finished system can't be any more than 1/16" for looks and weight.  Well. add a 32nd...  40 mils is about 1/25 of an inch.

The rubber granules are not as I imagine from their description on the website.  The broadcasting is done by throwing the stuff up in the air so that it settles more evenly on the tacky base coat.  Then they say that the surface should be completely covered with granule.  Estimate that only one third will stick to the deck - the image is one of a layer of snow.  60% will get vacuumed up.  What you have there doesn't look like the pieces are close enough.  By description, that is.

Maybe this is why this product is aimed at ski resorts, fishing boats and elephant cages.  Too thick for us.  Only an impression, have to go back and check on it, but Sanitred is still as 'flexible' and not as thick.

After the TuffTred is cured, a 36grit beltsander can be used to knock the top off the granules.  They say.   Sanding rubber must be a trip.  That would reduce some of the bulk.  I would choose a finer screen granule and leave the peaks for more traction.

[Mike Goodwin]

The sample I posted is 2 1/4 x 2 3/4 " .

[ebb]

emailed them and they came right back.

Important tool,
they have a 'Rate of Use & Product Chart'(s)
Using the 100sq ft line across the chart:
first coat (Permaflex as base coat over prepared/sanded deck)  .42 of gal.
THEN fill and fair holes/depressions, etc with thickened LRB granule coat material)
1.67 gals of LRB granule coat with
12 1/2 # granules between coats
,42 gal of Permaflex as a top coat (the remainder of the gallon)
1 gal Permaflex - $72.75
2 gal Granule coat $120
Granules           $30
                      _______
                       $223 plus shipping?
and any Sanitred extras like maybe the UV inhibitor  (I would have it in every coat by choice) or the LRB
thickner activator you use to make fillet material out of the inner coating material.  This would be great for rounding seams/corners in lockers.

Cure thickness per coat is 5 to 7 mils.
40 mils is 1/25 of an inch half way between 1/32 and 1/16.
Seems thin doesn't it?
The granules will build up the final thickness to... ?

First thing you notice here is that all coats are non-toxic.  No special primer is needed.  Will cure at "45degrees below zero."  45 DEGREES BELOIW ZERO!!! (Tony, you reading this?)  Has an adjustable pot life of 10mins to an hour or more.  Bonds 'molecularly' to itself new or old and has 650% elongation,  completely waterproof.  Viscosity of the LRB (the mid layers) can be adjusted from a watery liquid to a thick putty.
 
Photos of the cured surface shows a closed mat like appearance, rather than Mike's moonscape closeup.  Worth it to get a sample square.  Sanitred's pastels are too dark for me.  Instead of rubber you can use anything you want for antiskid.  How about aluminum oxide?  Thanks for the feed back.

If anybody is interested in discussing this off thread, please use the Private Message or email option.  Thanks.  

Is Tufflex consumer orientated?
IE email/phone help and tailored quantities (small)

[ebb]

Believe this is my last post on this subject.
My emails to S., have been answered by a form response.  So obviously they don't have somebody sitting around chatting up potential smalltime customers.  That's ok too.

Apropos Tufflex vs Santitred application:
When you go to the Sanitred site, use the Navigation Bar and go to
Applications.  Then
Heavy duty floors.  Then
Heavy Duty Floor Photos.

There is a simplified visual demo of what might occur on a boat deck.  Looks simple enough, not much different than rolling on any paint.  The stuff is rolled on, not troweled.

Using LRB (Liquid Rubber Base) to seal the inside of the boat and lockers seems like something to consider.  I assume that the Permatex rubber is used for priming and finishing.  LRB is just as runny befor you add the thickners.  Somebody has to explain why you can't go the route with just the LRB out on the deck.
 
With the granules and its ability to cure at any thickness, they say, the product can be used for sound proofing.  Might be worth while trying it inside the box covering the inboard engine.
 
Once you open the can you got to use it right away, because it's air/moisture cure.  Out here in grapeland you can buy little pressurized cans of argon to replace the air in an opened bottle of expensive wine to keep it from oxidizing.  Argon is an inert, heavier than air gas.  Might try it on the liquid rubber, see if it will last longer?  
Certainly should try argon in the varnish can to keep it from skinning over.

[Mike Goodwin]

You might want to know it's burn rate , etc. before you put it in the engine space

[ebb]

That's a good point,  Mike.
I'm a little tired of reading all that stuff on that site.  By myself.

I would swear that somewhere there I saw some statement about one or all of their products meeting some OSHA or military burn rate stamdard.  Sorry so vague.

Don't know either the burn rate difference between plywood and rubber, or epoxy paint.
But just how does one protect the engine compartment ie the space under the cockpit?  Good question.

Never thought about it with the OB well and gasoline on 338 - very much more of a concern than deisel under the cockpit - but obviously I should.  Now that you point it out, a flame retardant coating should be that last two coats in those places.

Got any suggestions?

[Mike Goodwin]

Contact my buddy , Gary , at Sound-Down  ,   gkissal@soundown.com . He is the expert and a good sailing buddy .
You also have to worry about how toxic are the fumes .

[ebb]

Mike,
gave it a try, the blue line,
and came up with a yahoo page that demand that I sign in.
I am totally irrational about yahoo, as you know from times past when you started the Ariel photo site for us. (Sorry if the terminology is wrong!)

I find the police state imposition of this provider diagreeable to say the least.
Registry and code word, joining the club, is out of the question.  'Yahoo' has as long as I can remember has been a derogatory term anyway.  Ta hell with them.

[Mike Goodwin]

That shouldn't take you anywhere near a Yahoo site or page . when I click it , it opens an e-mail program.
Just enter it into your e-mail address line .

[ebb]

Mike,
from the beginning I've been impressed
how much better you  click than I!