Red Pepper

[mbowman]

thanks Rico! Hey hows those sails working out?

[mbowman]

Just an update on the refit... I've cut away most of the deck in the bow and all of the port side. MAJOR delamination. this is going to be a long process! Maybe after Christmas I'll get more time to work on her.

[bill@ariel231]

good luck, the demolition this is the tough part. it gets easier once the new deck installed and she looks like a boat again.

just a cautionary tale on a recore from above, be sure to shore up the inner skin of the foredeck until the new deck is cured. a friend of mine had to re-do the cockpit of his frers when a sizeable area sagged while the epoxy was curing.

cheers,
bill@ariel231

[mbowman]

Hey guys what do you think about using Cedar in the interior of the Ariel.  Since I'm in the rebuilding and remodeling stage and I have a large Cedar tree at my disposal I thought I might try it.... I'm kind of thinking about lining the lockers and maybe even planking the forward bunk area..... Your opinions ?
Have any of you ever worked with Cedar Before?

[Commander 147]

First the very same properties of the wood that help to keep bugs out of the wood also can cause allergic reactions in people. It is not uncommon for people to not be able to work with cedar because of a sensitivity to it.
 
Second unless you are using western red cedar there are lots of knots in the material. And while the knots give the wood some of it's charachter, they can also give you issues when working with it. They can blow out at you if they are not sound when running through the tablesaw and they are hard on planner blades and router bits.
 
The rest of the wood is very soft. It will dent and gouge easily during and after it has been installed.
 
If none of the above bothers you then have at it. You could pick worse woods to use on a boat. The wood deals with moisture very well which is why here in Florida it is used very frequently as facia and soffit material. Or at least it was in the not to distant past before it became more economical to use a lower grade wood and metal facia and soffit.

[ebb]

Hey Mike,
What kind of cedar?
You have a large TREE available?
It'll have to go through many stages, including drying, before it can be used as lumber.
'Soft' Western Red Cedar has been used for interior yacht joinery and paneling.
You might have Atlantic White Cedar which has characteristics like WRC.
Keeping things light, using it for ceiling up forward sounds good!

Not known for splinters.
Closer to the interior of the tree you get denser wood, probably better for joinery.  On the west coast generally available and reasonable priced, altho clear stuff is expensive.

There are some boss cedar and cypress used in boat building.  Check out
//www.glen-l.com/wood-plywood/bb-chap5d.html
[ imco they are behind the times in plywood recommendations.]


I've worked WRC and if I wasn't using mahogany I would use it except for rails.  I've worked Alaska Yellow Cedar - a very different (strong) cedar than white or red.  Many coniferous woods are misnamed: they can be junipers, cypress, pine or cedar.   Just looked up AWC and found it actually is a cypress.
I'd say most of these aromatic woods loose their fresh milled pungency sitting around.  As soon as you seal the wood, which you will probably do inside the Ariel the smell is gone.  Eastern Red Cedar used raw for drawer and locker lining has for most people a very pleasant and long lasting scent.
 

What kind of cedar you got there?

[mbowman]

I HAD the eastern Red Cedar... I went to get it the other day and someone had taken it.... there are others in the plot of land... but they are not cut yet. I'm not anywhere at the point of refiting the interior as of yet... still got a lot of work to do on the deck (as soon as it warms up and drys out) this rain is killing us! But Thank God for it! Thanks for the update on the Cedar guys. I'll try and post some pix later on my progress

[mbowman]

Well, I've made a hard decision. I'm going to have to scrap The Red Pepper. The more I get in to this, the more problems I run in to. The more I sand... the deeper the problems. The entire deck is gone from delamination. The more I sand the hull the more problems come out that was hidden from layers and layers of poor repair jobs in the past. Major hull cracks and not just gel coat. So sad to say the old girl is getting scraped. So I do have some parts to sell and many to give away. The mast, boom and main sail are spoken for. I have winches... deck organizers... teak...sails... a spinnaker pole... pulpit rail... stern rail... lifelines... stanchions...cleats...etc.
I will take photos and post them in another thread in the For Sale area of this forum. Of course some things I'm going to keep for the next boat, but most everything will go.
If anyone needs anything let me know.....
mike.... a sad Ariel owner....

[ebb]

That's really HARD to take, Mike.
I'm sorry this is the course you have taken.....
Have you tried Craig's List?

[mbowman]

Not yet... I've had a few people want a couple of sails... when I get the list all together I'll try that route as well as ebay and of course this forum.

[mbowman]

here ya go mike

[c_amos]

Mike,

  Before you put her down, would you like a second opinion?  It would be a couple hundred miles, but if you have not started the scrapping process I could drive up and maybe take a look, do a little exploratory surgery with you... maybe if you had a second set of hands, you could still save her?

The offer is on the table if you are interested.

Craig

[mbowman]

Well Craig.... "the man with the saw" is not in any hurry. I wouldn't want you to make a special trip, but if you coming up this way sure I'd love another opinion! I'm only 20 miles out of Birmingham. Let me know!
mike

[ebb]

Craig,
Good on you, mate!
That's beautiful!

[bill@ariel231]

Mike,
mid-demolition was the low point for A-231 as well. once I recored the foredeck she really perked up. I found the recore of the entire foredeck took just 3 days using exterior plywood and a 5 gallon pail of epoxy. I thought about balsa core but at that point wanted to be sure i had a boat worth finishing. Here is A-231 at that point lots of holes to go but getting ready for paint.... http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showthread.php?1230-A-231-Periwinkle&highlight=periwinkle
good luck!
bill@ariel231