Bow Pulpit / Stern Rail / Push Pit

[joe]

Lookin' Good !!:)

[bill@ariel231]

Bravo!

Is that the stern light on the starboard side aft?

[ebb]

Craig,
"A single 5/6" bolt."  
Does sound quite strong enough especially in concert with the other legs.  Can you tell us what the mount itself is?  
Can we assume that you have a slip tube that the pushpit leg goes over?  Did you fill that stub tube with epoxy and then bolt it thru the deck?  The legs are then held on with set screws?


Like that build up that the leg in one photo shows -  NICE JOB!

[tha3rdman]

Where's a good place to buy the mount bases? Seems in the refit/paint we lost one of the angled feet, the standard 60 deg fitting is a bit to steep, and 90 is obviously wrong. I'm thinking I can force a 60 if it came to it.

Thoughts?

[c_amos]

Bravo!
 
Is that the stern light on the starboard side aft?

Yes, it is.  I was lucky in finding a piece of 'scrap' stainless in the weld shop, and took a guess at the size of my stern light.
 
  It fit like it was made for it.  
 
 

[walberts]

I just spoke with Doug at Tops In Quality about a push-pit for Haabet, Ariel 133.  He told me that the footprints of the two designs he has on file are different from each other.  That was a surprise to me.  Does anyone know why that might be?

Also, he said that I had a choice of one or two rails on the pushpit and either 24 or 28" height.  I thought the two rail, 24" model sounded nice.  I've seen some pushpits that seemed to high for the design of the Ariel.   The two-rail design, I assume (I haven't seen a picture yet) means that there is a second rail half way down.  I'm not sure about it, especially since I'm considering the 24" height.  But it sounded strong and I figured I could tie the lower unit of the outboard down to it.  The difference in cost is about $300.   The single rail model cost about $775.

What do you think: One "rail" or two? 24" or 28?"  And what about the "foot-print" of the push-pit?  Are there differences in the Ariels' stern/lazarette areas that any of you know about, or is this more likely just a differrence in hardware placement on two different boats that made the variation in the two models?  Doug said that these were definitely two Ariels.

Any updated comments/opinions on TIQ and the quality of their work?

[bill@ariel231]

Bill

Mike (A-414) has a Tops in Quality single rail:

http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showpost.php?p=14004&postcount=49

it appears that various owner's measurements for tube locations are driving the difference in patterns.

cheers,
bill@ariel231

p.s. it looks like A-231 is the odd man out having an open stern rail :rolleyes:

http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showpost.php?p=16801&postcount=113

[mbd]

My 2 cents:

I'm very pleased with how the stern rail turned out. Tops In Quality did a great job.

Aesthetically, I prefer the 24" height - 28" just seems too tall, but that's me. I prefer the "sparseness" of the single rail - I studied every picture I could find of Sirocco's and tried to imitate hers.

Practically, I wish I had a double rail. It's more secure for the younger crew members and the additional rail on the stern makes a good place to store things.

----- edit -----
PS. Just thought of something else Bill, that I'm sure goes without saying, but I'll say it anyways. Of course you'll want to take your own measurements of where you want the feet to land, because as I'm sure we all know, no two boats are the same...

[walberts]

Thanks Mike and Bill for the responses.  I appreciate your tact, Mike, in letting me know that no two Ariels are exactly the same.  Honestly, I thought they were, with the possible exception of the hardware installed by owners down through the ages. Mea culpa.  I will take measurements.  

Mike, what wall thickness did you get on the tubing? and what grade of stainless?  Did you have to fabricate pads for the push-pit feet?

I'll look for some pictures of Sirocco and see what her push-pit looks like.  I remember her as having a nice dodger as well.  We're thinking of replacing ours next.

[c_amos]

Take a look at this thread;

Bow Pulpit / Stern Rail / Pushpit

 

Here is a late night photo of what I came up with;

 

Mounting detail;

 


You can kind of see it here;



But again, Take a look at this thread (maybe Bill can merge this one into it?);

Bow Pulpit / Stern Rail / Pushpit

[Bill]

Take a look at this thread (maybe Bill can merge this one into it?)

DONE!

Please remember to use the search function before asking questions . . .

[mbd]

...what wall thickness did you get on the tubing? and what grade of stainless?  Did you have to fabricate pads for the push-pit feet?

Sadly, I never thought to ask, I just ordered it. (I can copy and send my measurements, copies of emails, etc. to you if you'd like, just let me know.)

I wanted to fabricate pads for the feet, but quickly ran out of time once things got rolling. When the time comes to revisit painting the decks, I may try to do it then. Craig did a real nice job on his, and A-231 Bill too. Here's another thread on that subject.

http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showthread.php?t=1128

[Westgate]

Timely article in March/April GOB about building chainstay (and presumably) pulpit islands by Don Casey. Interesting how to.  I personally would have laid down a narrow fillet at the base of the island but who knows maybe Don was faced with a deadline;).

Andrew

[Tony G]

Instead of starting a new thread, the words 'tubing' and 'bender' in the search machine lead me here.  

More heads are better than one, so who's got the info?  Like it says, still looking.  Don Casey's This Old Boat has a simple diagram of a bender.  I still have not found that back issue of Marine Fabricator with the wall mounted unit.  Did find the attached forum thread with a DIY bender plus it has another link embedded in it for a small bender.  

http://www.customfighters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17625

[Tony G]

This looks easy enough to build.  Even has a partner just for crowning the frames.  Sweet!