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In the Owner's Manual, COMMANDER LIST OF EQUIPMENT,  the jib stay dimension is 31' -5 3/4".

Does anyone know if this includes the turnbuckle length?

Alternatively, does anyone have a dimension for this from a stock Commander?

Thanks, David
Commander #92

I plan to replace my Commander's Jib Stay.  The published dimension is 31' -5 3/4".  

Is that dimension center to center of eyelet holes (so excluding the turnbuckle's variable length)?

Or, does the determination of eye-to-eye length need to subtract a mid-turnbuckle length for fabrication?

My plan is to order one to length, use the jib halyard for stability while hoisting a sailor to the top to replace the existing (fraying).   Boat is in the water at a dock slip.  All advice is welcome!

Thanks, David
Commander #92

Because Commander #92's tiller yoke is broken, I am considering Bristol Bronze part BB3101.   Can someone confirm this will fit onto the existing rudder head.  I would prefer to not replace that part as it appears to be in good condition.  

Thanks, Tony, for the encouragement.  I have thought about a cradle, which I could build with my rough carpentry skills.  If I put it on a flatbed/car hauler trailer, would it be a legal ride?  Those trailers, however, with a capacity of, say 6000 lbs, are not cheap either.  

I have not referred to the cradle diagram in the Manual lately, but I will check it out for fitment on a 18' standard car hauler.  It would be a logical solution to a 40 mile trip.  Yes, it would be essentially two, on-way trips months or years apart.  I don't need a trailer for trailer-sailing.  There is a crane at the lake that I would could hire to lift from their launching trailer onto my rig.  

On the return trip, if I am not persuaded otherwise by the racers and others with extended tongue trailers, I might back the wood cradle and flatbed down in to the water with a rope/strap (as do the professionals with their launching trailer.)

I'm in San Antonio TX, and in need of a ride for La Saladita, Commander #92.

Trailers, suggestions, quotes, etc. are welcome.  Want to bring her home to work on her for a while.

Thanks,  David

Do you still need Commander window frame dimensions?

Sounds good.  I'm sure there are others interested.  Keep us posted and thanks for letting me know the status.

I can measure and supply the dimensions, but it will be a couple of weeks before I get back to the boat to measure.  Thanks for asking.

Any source yet for replacement commander fixed window frames?  Those sure would look nice in bronze...

Hello.  I am very interested in finding one of these also.  Is it still available?

Thanks,
David

Again, another owner wants to have boat trucked across country.  Any sources for this service would be appreciated.

La Saladita is in Port Washington, NY and we need her to be trucked to San Antonio, TX. (Canyon Lake to be precise.)

I have it listed with Truckaboat.com (an association, but no quotes have come in.)  Thanks in advance.

I am interested, but I am of the opinion that they should be replicated in bronze.  The original, aluminum parts are cast, I believe.  It would need to be a casting, I beleive, to easily replicate the profile (rounded outer surface.)

They could of course be chromed if you want the original look.  I'd go for the green patina of bronze, personally.

David

The padeyes on Commander #92 were for the jib sheet dead end.  The sheet ran from there to a single block on the clew and back to the block on the 12" track on the cabintop.  From there these 2:1 sheets came to a sheave with a cam cleat on the coaming top.  A sheeting platform was configured on the coaming's top edge to mount the sheave / cam cleat.

See my drawing at http://www.bway.net/~bogle/winch.html

This was a Commander that was purchased from Pearson without the winch option.  I have added winches, but not the turning cheek block aft shown in my plans.  Someday I will.

In the meantime I have removed the original 12" tracks and padeyes (which turned to aluminum dust), replacing them with 4 foot long tracks on the cabintop for the 110 working jib.  She seems to point well with the track inboard on the cabintop edge.

Brendan,

Thanks for the input.  I am not able to come see your rudder, Brendan, but thanks for the offer.  I barely have the time to finish building mine.  I do hope to see you at the Sand Hole this season, however.  

I've just epoxied the three planks together.   Next step is cutting the shape, drilling for the drift pins, planning the taper, then bolt and pin it all together. I will post more pages eventually on the steps of construction.

The shape will follow the original rudder's upper half, and add some area at the lower edges, per my posted pattern.  The original shape and area will be able to be recreated by cutting it down slightly.  I'll give it a season at least before trying that.

I have the original rudder, disassembled.  I have the drawing of the constellation type (angular, with more area below and less area above (aloft?).)  Thanks, Bill, for posting that.

I have compared the two.  I would like to reduce weather helm, therefore I am planning on adding some area to the rudder to move the center of the underbody aft (what's the term here?).

I'm planning on a shape something between the two designs.  Generally keeping the upper half's shape, but adding approximately 29 square inches to the original's area, below the center drift pin.  I'm rounding off the constellation's sharp lower point so as not to create too much additional area.  Also, I don't want to deviate from the original construction methods.  The constellation type has a much longer moment arm, and would require either longer bolts or more drift pins.  I'm already increasing the width of the #2, center, plank from 5" to 6".  I'm reusing all the big bolts and the shafts -new nuts, washers, 5/16" drift pins and, of course, hand-picked (quartersawn) Honduran mahogany.

See the photo of my full size pattern at:
http://www.bway.net/~bogle/boat/newrud1/newrud1.html

The dark, bold line is my plan.  The white line is the constellation shape and the faint curve in pencil is the original rudder trailing edge.

Comments, suggestions and knowledge are welcome.  #92's original page is still at:
http://www.bway.net/~bogle/commander.html

Regards,
David
Brooklyn, New York
Pearson Commander #92, La Saladita