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Dear Ebb
The series drogue is designed to save you and your boat in a once in a life time storm, such as the fastnet or 1998 syd-hobart, you cannot play around with the design. Don Jordan spent 5 years, working with coast guard getting it right.
In saying that, I play around with small changes for my own use, I dont sell these changes.
One addition to the basic design is 2 extra lines running from rings built into the bridle legs to the sheet winches. 2 years ago in a storm in bass strait following the 40 deg south line I used this system to steer in 60k winds to the lee of the Kent group of islands. The details will be in the next issue of DDDB. Here is a photo of my boat a 28ft swanson

Dear Ebb and Epiphany
I will have a look at the site re advertising.
as for man overboard lifesaving equipment, You could have a safety line attached to the drogue to pull it out from the water but maybe its better to have someting better trailing all the time.
Other uses for the drogue. my drogue that i am testing has 2 lines one with 70 cones and one with 30 cones. joined by eye splices. I also have lines that run from the bridlelegs to my sheet winches, with the 30 cones attached I can use this set up for steering the boat if my rudder or steering is disabled, without slowing me down too much. I think it would work fine with 20 cones.
The drogue line and leader can also be used as extra ground anchor line in an emergency.
I have a very small series drogue with 10 cones, on 8 meters of line, I use this when coming ashore in my dingy to a beach, this is enough to stop the dingy broaching in the shore break,
I am in the process of designing an all purpose bag for the drogue that will hang on cockpit rail, and assist in deployment. sailrite have a pattern for a storage/deployment bag on their site, but its not right.
I went to a funeral today, in a small coastal town called Port Fairy, on the central south coast of Victoria. This is a fishing, potato growing, and dairy farms, it was settled by the Irish in the 1840's and has not changed one bit.
The gentleman who died was 90 and had been a blacksmith/wheel wright. The service was catholic and at the wake good whisky flowed, with cold beer in between. A lot of these old men were 5th or more generation from the district, but still had some Irish accent. These blokes fished in small boats 20 to 25 ft, they were interested in the series drogue, but roared with laughter at the idea, but did say that when in a bad storms (this is bass strait) they would trail their net behind them, sometimes for days at a time.
regards
Bryan

Dear Ebb
The drogue always trails the boat, if there was no wind at all then yes it would simply hang down. but you only use it when there is wind, Chain or a lead weight 10 to 15kg would be ample, ships anchor if you have nothing else.
The drogue would still slow the boat under sail or power without a weight attached, to about 1,5knots. So not so good as man overboard equipment.
Why would a boat be sailing without the skipper?? are you winding me up.
regards
Bryan

Dear Epiphany,
Don Jordan spent so many years working on the drogue, he was chief aeronautical engineer at boeing, and retired when the Jumbo jet came into service, I made the decision to make the drogue to his exact specifications. I use american made fabric and sail thead. The loads on individual cones is relativly small. for very large yachts I use 2oz rip stop. There are no hoops inside the leading edge, yes they stay open.

Dear ebb
A drogue consisting of 75 cones you would require 300 ft of 1/2 inch line. 5/8 if you wish. I will supply 75 cones and latch hook to Pearson Ariel members for usd 180.00.
regards
Bryan

Dear ebb
You state:- Using a sailboat called the Winston Churchill the "Seriesdrogue" website chooses to depict the boat in thumbnails with the drouge streamed from the bow, without explanation.
I may have missed something, but it is inconsistences like this that one applies to the product.
I dont know why you say this, Don Jordans designers notes when evaluating the loss of winston churchill during the 1998 sydney - hobart race has a full and complete explanation, and recommended the drogue to be deployed from the stern. it says nothing about deploying from the bow. Have another look
regards
Bryan

Dear Ebb,
I have been working on and testing series drogues for small boats, on my 28 ft yacht, 3000kg displacement, going in and out Port Phillip Heads streaming a 50 and 75 cone drogues, the heads always have serious waves, when the wind gets up a bit. We had a strong wind warning, 30 knots and 20 to 25 foot waves. The test was as follows. I went out the heads at slack water, waited one hour, and came in with the flood tide, which runs at 7 knots, I motored in at 2800 revs which lifted the across the bottom speed to 8.5 knots or 1.5 k across the water with 75 cones, and 9 knots, 2 knots across the water with the 50 cones, which kept the drogue line tight. The heads, also called the rip, is a bit like the columbia river bar, a good place for breaking waves. I had 2 safety lines attaching me to the boat, holding me firmly, the motion was not that wild, boat speed picked up with each wave pass and slowed when it had passed, waves were vertical walls, and breaking, very little water came aboard. The sensation was a bit like being attached to a bunge cord. This was a crude test, but I think the 75 cone drogue would be ok for a 2000kg displacement yacht, in a once in a lifetime storm.
I have used a 100 cone drogue in a storm in Bass Strait 2 years ago, with a happy ending.
To answer some of your questions. Australia has a free trade agreement with the U.S.
so there is no duty on Australian goods. The rope I use is manufactured in Melbourne by a small company called Cobra Ropes, the U.S. Air Force, also buys rope from this same small Melbourne company, the rip cord on ejector seats. The cones are made from rip stop nylon sail cloth 1.5 oz, and hemd top and bottom, ace does not hem their cones.
The prices on the site include shipping by air mail. I am happy to quote on smaller drogues email bryan@seriesdrogue.com
regards
Bryan

I should state that I am a series drogue maker, in Melbourne.  I think there is too much dissinformation published about para anchors, because they are a powerfull advertising group of manufacturers. Because of this yachting magazines do not evaluate their performance worts and all. For more information go to my site //www.seriesdrogue.com including the US Coast Guard report

Series drogue, para anchor, heaving to, lying ahull or running off are options for survival in storm conditions, which is best? Only you can evaluate your boats handling peculiarities and use this knowledge to choose the right storm tactics suited to your yacht.

Heaving to, Lying ahull, or Running off
"It is important to note that most storms, even severe storms, do not create dangerous breaking waves. Sailors who survive such storms may conclude that the tactics they employ, such as heaving to, lying ahull or running off, are adequate to prevent capsize. This is a serious mistake. There is very compelling evidence to show that while a well found boat will survive a storm in non-breaking waves, none of the above tactics will prevent capsize in a breaking wave strike."
U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 sec1-1


Sea anchors and Para anchors
The sellers of para anchors promote these items as bullet proof protection in storm survival situations, we question the veracity of this description.

Para anchor positives
A vessel disabled, in danger of closing with land or other hazards can hold station, until the problem is fixed or help arrives.

"In moderate weather, before seas begin to break dangerously, parachute anchors are effective at helping boats hold station. Many of the users whom we have interviewed speak well of their experiences in moderate gale conditions"
Steve Dashew

Fishing boats with hulls designed to sit parallel to anchor lines, sit well to a para anchor, they are widely used by squid fishers, to hold station while fishing.

Para anchors - what the experts say
Many yachts yaw and sail at anchor, and even more on para anchors, this phenomenon is called shearing. If a wave hits the bow in this shear cycle the boat can be forced backwards, resulting in :-


____i)Damage to rudder.
____ii)Breaking rode.
____iii)Rolling over.
____iv)Forcing water thru exhaust system under extreme pressure and into the engine.
____v) All of the above


In the trough of a wave/swell the para anchor rode goes slack, the yacht will commence to yaw wanting to lie ahull, leaving it partially or totally beam to sea with the possibility of being knocked flat or rolled.

"Even with a large sea anchor the bow of a modern yacht will tend to yaw away from the wind when the towline goes slack as it will when the boat passes through the trough of the wave. For these reasons the use of a sea anchor deployed from the bow is not recommended"
U.S. Coast Guard Report No CG-D-20-87 sec 6-6

Anecdotal evidence - para-anchors in storms
"Para anchor users interviewed all find their parachute anchors extremely difficult to retrieve in other than moderate wind and sea.
A major factor regarding both personal comfort and one's use of parachute anchors in breaking seas is the boat's tendency to sail at anchor. As stated earlier, if your boat sails on the hook, the odds are it will sail around even more fiercely while lying to a parachute in the middle of the ocean. This oscillation creates extreme loads, presents the bow at a wide and dangerous angle to the sea, and is extremely uncomfortable.
There are two ways around this. One is some form of riding sail or backstaysail as we've discussed. The other is to bridle the parachute off the bow, as advocated by the Pardeys. The bridle is used with a reefed trysail or deeply reefed main to increase resistance to rolling. A key feature of this approach for the Pardeys is the creation of a slick off their keel, which - theoretically, at least - calms the seas. This is a major safety issue, because without the slick, the boat is now lying at an angle of 50 deg or 60 deg to breaking crests, quite vulnerable to a knockdown or worse. I have no doubt that the Pardey's Seraffyn did in fact create a slick to windward in its day, but I have never seen this myself, and I have interviewed only one other sailor who claims to have been able to crate this type of beneficial slick and have it work as advertised.
In furiously breaking seas, the situation worsens dramatically. An excellent example of problems encountered comes from the experience of the Burman family aboard Freya, a Stan Huntington-designed, heavy displacement, full-keel 46-footer. Last spring, Freya was caught in a major storm off the coast of New Zealand. Rather than close with a lee shore in difficult conditions, Bruce Burman decided to deploy his 18-foot Para-Tech sea anchor. This was attached to a 450 foot piece of ¾ New England Ropes three-strand nylon. The rode was new, right off the spol, had never before been used, and was the size recommended for this vessel.
Dry breaking strength on the rode was 16,700 pounds (wet, about 20 percent less). The Para-Tech anchor was good for roughly 10,000 pounds of load, and then would start to blow panels, which in turn would relieve the load on the rode. The rode was attached to a heavy bronze cleat, fastened with four 5/16'' stainless steel bolts, recently replaced and beefed up with a backing-plate under the deck. The four bolts and cleat would probably bear 12,000 pounds or more of load. Bruce Burman eased the rode out a couple of feet every two hours. The rode went through a bronze chock, and no sign of chafe was observed.
During the first evening of the storm, Freya was knocked down and rolled while lying to the parachute anchor. Because the wind had developed from a compression zone between vigorous high and low-pressure systems, the wind direction was relatively steady. Data from the helicopter pilot who eventually picked up the Burman family confirmed that there were no crossing seas from wind shifts or other conflicting storm systems.
Either during the knockdown or just before it, the rode parted about 10 feet off the bow in what appeared to be a tension failure. While the failure was unfortunate for the Burman family, it provides a valuable data window for the rest of us - an opportunity to get a handle on the loads involved".
Steve Dashew

 


U.S. Coast Guard conclusions - series drogue vs para anchor.
"This paper documents the investigation of the use of drogues/sea anchors to prevent small sailing yacht capsize in breaking seas. The following conclusions were reached:

i) _____In many and possibly most cases, a properly engineered drogue can prevent breaking wave capsizing.
ii)___._ For fin keel sailing yachts the drogue/sea anchor should be deployed from the stern, not the bow.
iii) ____A series type drogue provides significant advantages over a cone or parachute type drogue/sea anchor.
iv) ____A full-scale series drogue demonstrated satisfactory handling and durability characteristics under simulated storm conditions and in actual breaking wave conditions.
v) ___._A recommended design specification including design loads is presented for cone, parachute and series type drogues".

U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-2087 sec 7-0


Series Drogues and boat design


"With a series drogue deployed, a well-designed and properly constructed fibreglass boat should be capable of riding through a Fastnet type storm with no structural damage. Model tests indicate that the loads on the hull and rigging in a breaking wave strike should not be excessive.
Many sailors are reluctant to deploy a drogue from the stern because they fear that the boat may suffer structural damage if the breaking wave strikes the flat transom, the cockpit and the companionway doors. The model tests do not show this to be a serious problem. The boat is accelerated up to wave speed and the velocity of the breaking crest is not high relative to the boat. The stern is actually more buoyant than the bow, and will rise with the wave. However, the boat may be swept from the stern. The cockpit may fill and moving water may strike the companionway doors. The structural strength of the transom, the cockpit floor and seat, and the companionway doors should be checked at a loading corresponding to a water jet velocity of approximately 15 ft./sec.
When a boat is riding to a series drogue no action is required of the crew. The cockpit may not be habitable and the crew should remain in the cabin with the companionway closed. In a severe wave strike the linear and angular acceleration of the boat may be high. Safety straps designed for a load of at least 4g should be provided for crew restraint. All heavy objects in the cabin should be firmly secured for negative accelerations and drawers and lockers should be provided with latches or ties which will not open even with significant distortion of the hull structure".
U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 sec 6-4

regards
Bryan Glover