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There is actually another weirdness about the boat (209).  

That MD number you listed would have been Tom's - with him being from Baltimore.  And I have paperwork confirming it.  After that the registration number would be PA as Fred lives in PA.  I may have paperwork to support that.

I registered the boat in Delaware.  At nearly the same time my son was buying a sailboat - so he handled both registration processes.  But he then put My DL registration number on his boat in NJ - and put His NJ registration numbers onto my boat:  209.

That error never came to light until this spring when he sold his boat and the buyer noted that the installed DL registration numbers did not agree with his boat's title.  It took a good while of us pondering before realizing what must have happened.  I never noticed it either and can't confirm it now - but I believe that 209 is sporting the incorrect NJ registration numbers.

Not that it matters much - it's just one more thing.

It all blurs together for me and I generally take no notes. .

Known History: Three owners ago the guy's first name was Tom.  Last name may have been Neil.  He was a teacher of some sort (I think) somewhere near Baltimore.  I have spoken to him via telephone (or maybe by email - I can't remember) but never met him otherwise.  The next owner was Fred Kurtz - he's a stock broker in PA and a hell of a nice guy.  He subsequently abandoned the boat for yard fees at Winters Sailing Center in NJ after he bought a much larger French boat.  I later bought the boat from Winters.  I fixed a number of things:  water lift, water injection, and other exhaust installed wrong, bad water pump, and so forth - minor really.  

Later the powers-to-be at Hances Point and I butted heads while I was unable to come back to that area.  By mail they banished me from the Club grounds and stated that they were impounding the boat.  I was unable to do anything at that time and so accepted the fate.  I really missed the boat - but what can you do?  

Recently they said were having trouble disposing of the boat and wanted the title.  I asked about all their prior demands and was told that they were willing to waive them if I removed the boat or presented them with the title.

The word "dispose" made me wistfully sad to hear - which is why I reached out here.
 


 

Last db entry for A-209 said it was for sale in 2014!  No information on owner or location in MD.  Listed state registration number (MD418ZH) may be incorrect.

I am leaving the area soon so I doubt I will be able to get them for you.  Just salvaging the boat for gear would be a great thing for anyone with a minimally equipped Ariel.  Solar panels, refrigeration, automatic halon fire suppression, tiller pilots, and a thousand other 'nice to have' things.

 

If you do get the chance to get pictures, I'd love to see them.

Sorry - I had the Hull # wrong.  I said "141" - but that is my Columbia 29.  I always remember it easily because my Pearson Triton's number was 140.

The Pearson Ariel we have been discussing is actually Hull # 209.    Blue Moon

Atomic IV - but full of Moyer Marine parts.  A lot (or maybe all - I do remember that it all cost a Stack of money ) of Bill Moyer's upgrades are already in place.  The last thing I recall was that re-worked water pump he sells.  There are deck wash-down pumps fore and aft - the boat was well over-equipped. .

There are also a lot of 'spares'.  For example;  all the lifeline stanchions have been replaced but the originals are still here.  New fixed port light glass.  All kinds of things.  I would have taken pictures yesterday but it was hailing heavily in pouring rain.



 

Does your boat have an Atomic 4 or has she been upgraded to a diesel? I may have someone who's interested once the lockdown has ended.

No;  my clever IT guy 'fixed' my computer by deleting anything which was not important to Him.  I just searched the internet (as best I could) for any previous pics but did not find any.  The boat was astonishingly well equipped but I haven't even seen it for two or three years.  I would rather see it taken over than crushed - which is why I mentioned it here.


QUOTE=Bill;28546]Is there a link to photos?[/QUOTE]

There is an Ariel for sale in Maryland:  Hances Point Yacht Club.  Hull number 141.  Inboard engine, on-board Halon fire suppression, refrigeration, stack-pack main, roller furling jib, etc. etc. etc. etc.  Includes 4-5 nice jack stands.  A few hundred would buy it.

Do you have your outboard mount centered on the stern?  Or offset to one side or the other?  

And if to one side;  which one and why?

PHM
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Actually, I've been hanging off the stern myself - the biggest stretch is to control the shifter.  Need to kneel on the lazarette for that and for starting. Backstay makes a good handhold. Throttle can be controlled w/o leaving the cockpit. Whenever in doubt, I attach myself to the boat with a lanyard. Am set up for singlehanding, incl tiller pilot, which I mostly do. You could always have a crew member assist (hang on to lanyard, etc).  I don't consider operating the motor off the stern any more sketchy than going forward to change a headsail or secure the main. Don't worry about having to start it in heavy airs - you won't need to.  I beefed up my stern based on cautions about it in the manual.

How do you manage the outboard engine controls from the cockpit as they are way out behind and across the lazarette?  It just seems like a law and awkward reach.  No?

The weight didn't scare me - even though this 9.9 of mine is more like 90-100 lbs rather than 50-60 - what really stopped me was the idea of the awkwardness of controlling the engine controls and the boat's tiller at the same time.

How do you find it?

PHM
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Have been hanging an outboard off the stern since 1994.  Beefed it up with plywood backing and 2 layers of roving, leaving the backstay chainplate exposed to air.  Have been in 30 knot conditions and (embarrassingly) hit the beach one time.  Stern is still intact with no evidence of stress (cracks, distortion, etc.) 2 stroke Mercury 5 (48) lbs and 2 stroke Evinrude 6 (60 lbs.).  Checked by boatbuilder (Wilderness, Moore) and engineer. Not recommending you do this, just saying.  Wish I hadn't Sikaflexed the plug. Will take a special tool if I ever want to undo it.

I am wondering about a Yanmar 2QM15.  Specifically about the lift pump.  My question right now is:

Does the primary pump / lift pump require a flooded suction?  Does the fuel tank have to be above the inlet of the lift pump?  Or will the lift pump 'pull' fuel up from a tank which is lower than the lift pump.

I do like the boat - but I like sailing more.  I am fully capable of rebuilding the A-4 - but when will that happen?  That is my problem.  Even the outboard 'solution' wouldn't me sailing before spring.  The boat is hauled now and my Club pulls the boats and the moorings before November 1 every year.  So this year is effectively shot.  

Sure:  all kinds of ideas intrigue me:  maybe a rehabbed block from Moyer and then use all/most of the already-new parts from the present engine to build something bulletproof and test run it here on an engine stand before installing it.  

But really . . . . no time.  And if I am going to spend several thousand on the Ariel - why not just buy a more ready-to-go boat and save the hassle?  Hell;  I just turned down a Morgan 25 yesterday for $1.00  A Dollar!  Decent boat, well equipped, all set up to use an outboard.  Every time I see something like that it becomes even more disheartening to contemplate doing all the work on this boat.

PHM
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Sorry we didn't convince you!!!

Have to admit it's a bit unfair that a nasty ole OB has to sway your decision to get rid of your
Ariel.

You sound employed.
Bite the bullet.
Why not consider an electric OB?  Torqeedo Cruise have an extra long shaft,  29" I believe,
if they measure it from the clamp to the prop.  You'll have to put up with high cost and the
battery thing.  But if the gas engine, its smell and its negative issues weighs so strong in your
decision to sell what is a really marvelous little sailboat... perhaps going electric with PV
panels is more of a solution that will inspire.

Good luck!

I used s SeaGull outboard that way on a small sailboat for a while.  The mount was just a pipe in a tube bracketed to the deck.

Fine in smooth water but if the boat rolled even slightly the prop was out of the water.

The well is the only feasible way to use an outboard I think.  Thanks again for helping me.  I guess the Ariel has to go.  

I have houses un-rebuilt in Florida, a house un-maintained for years in NJ, and a refrigeration / mechanical contracting business to run.  Doing the inboard over just isn't gong to be on My List for far too long to contemplate it.

PHM
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Who invented and still sells the CapeHornIntegraredSelfSteeringWindVane....
40 years ago, sailed his Alberg 30 around the world with the outboard rigged off the
side of the cockpit on a spar of some sort,   that could be hinged out of the
water to remove it when voyaging.

Imagine it probably was a fairly light, under powered  2 stroke.

You can also find electric Torqeedo's  clampted off the rail near the cockpit.
Light enough to lift one handed and toss into the lazarette.

Thanks but I'm looking to do less work - not more.  And building a well means giving up the lazarette and then doing a bunch of work besides.  I think I'd rather fix the inboard than build an outboard well.

The boat is 60 miles from my house and shop and tools and mechanical resources and plus;  it really annoys me essentially working like a hobo out in the middle of a far-away field.  I built a trailer to haul my Columbia 29 around on and so I know I just can't manage building a trailer for this boat.  Or even a cradle - to use a flatbed trailer.  I am looking for an easy way out to go sailing again soon - not a project to add to my always huge must-do list.    

Maybe it's time for the Ariel to go and for me to buy something more suitable to my outboard.  It's a shame;  it's a nice boat otherwise.  12V refrigeration, onboard fire suppression, all kinds of nice widgets and gadgets and upgrades.  It does need varnish and deck paint but I'd sail with it all that way if I had to.

I'd have to be really in love to do an inboard engine replacement - and I'm just not that head-over-heels.

Thanks for the word-picture regarding operating the outboard controls out past the stern rail.  You make it easy to picture the bad-ness of that.  It's awkward getting back there just to put the stern ladder up.

PHM
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The majority of Ariel's had an outboard in a well, the conversion is pretty streight forward.  The part you will likely want to focus on is the construction of the well.  There are many pictures here.

It is widely held that these boats don't like the stern bracket for a couple of reasons.  First the weight hung so far aft really upsets the trim...  Even being 2' aft of the position in the well makes a big difference.

Second, and maybe more importantly, the controls are very difficult to operate because of the lazarette....  You are stretching pretty far back, and down....  A recipe for falling overboard at worst, and cumbersome at best.

I have sailed an Alberg 30 with an outboard in the transom and it was a real handful to dock!

The 9.9 is a little big and heavy, but many folks have used them.  I delivered Ariel Spirit (#3) when it was purchased it hAd a Merc 9.9 2 stroke, it was replaced by a 9.9 4 stroke.  Neither moved it any better then the Yamaha 6 and Tohatsu 6 that I use on my own Ariel (#226).

The present A-4 is never again going to be fixed by me so this Ariel either gets abandoned or powered with an electric start 9.9 Honda LS that I have sitting here.  The stern seems pretty sturdy and I can cut a big piece of 3/4 plywood for inside the lazarette to spread the loading.

Has anyone ever done it to an inboard Ariel?

Think the stern will stand up to it?  I am guessing but the Honda seems to weight most of 100 lbs.

There is presently a heavy Group 29 battery in the lazarette which could be relocated forward to offset some of the boat's balance.

Opinions?

Do you have any pics of those portlights from the outside?  Especially from 20-30-40 feet away?

PHM
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Greetings everyone,
This is my first post ever in life so I hope I hit all the right buttons...nothing ventured, nothing gained.
My A-145 sits in my yard in Bellingham, Wa. where I have worked on it, off and on, for the last three years.  It has grown into a much larger project than I orginally thought.
The decks were soggy along with the coach roof.  I am in the process of installing bronze opening ports.  I hope a photo follows.