Ariel & Commander Owners

Ariel Association => Gallery => Topic started by: Charles on June 23, 2014, 08:41:02 AM

Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Charles on June 23, 2014, 08:41:02 AM
This is my Ariel ID Plaque.
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Charles on June 23, 2014, 09:04:12 AM
At Carrabelle Florida, She was too heavy with the oyster bar attached to her hull, and very slow, waiting for sanding and new paint.
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: ebb on June 23, 2014, 12:47:36 PM
Both look absolutely authentic !:cool:
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Charles on June 24, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
Thanks Ebb, I am sure she is pretty much the real thing, the cabin interior is original and looks good, just needs cleaning and some refits,
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Bill on June 24, 2014, 11:35:25 AM
Before and after photos are encouraged  ..  ..  :cool:
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Charles on June 24, 2014, 12:34:18 PM
Will do,  I am building a new rudder now and am going to fair and paint the rest of the hull in Carrabelle, Then its on to Kings Bay in Crystal River.
Title: impressionist bottom
Post by: ebb on June 24, 2014, 12:50:21 PM
You have barnacle Monet, shame you can't auction it off !:D
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Charles on June 24, 2014, 02:36:22 PM
Need big money for my monet!
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Charles on June 24, 2014, 02:42:25 PM
Someone somewhere.
New rudder cut out and ready for the shafts and fiberglass.and paint, etc
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Bill on June 24, 2014, 07:52:47 PM
It's difficult to tell, but is Linda Anne an inboard model?
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Charles on June 24, 2014, 08:30:21 PM
She is the inboard model, but the engine has been removed and a tohatsu 8 was mounted aft, she still has the drive shaft though, I am going to mount a Yamaha 9.9 high thrust for now and look for an atomic 4, gas or diesel.......
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: c_amos on June 26, 2014, 07:21:45 AM
Charles,

  Ahoy!  I am at Carabelle this morning aboard "Ariel Spirit" (hull #3).  My boat is "Faith" (hull #226), it is in Pensacola.  Where in Carabelle are you?
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Charles on June 26, 2014, 08:08:32 AM
Good morning, She is on the hard at MS Dockside Marina, good to see another Ariel at Carrabelle.
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: c_amos on June 26, 2014, 12:13:13 PM
Just passing through, what a great little town!
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: CapnK on July 10, 2014, 12:31:25 PM
Congrats, Charles! You're going to really love it the first time you feel her move under the press of sail. :)
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: carl291 on July 22, 2014, 10:14:16 PM
It would appear the rudder shoe has disappeared, what's the plan for replacement?
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Charles on August 09, 2014, 10:17:32 AM
This is the rudder shoe that is now installed I will keen it for now..
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Charles on August 09, 2014, 10:46:11 AM
Linda Anne with bottom scrapped, sanded and painted with the new rudder installed and ready for paint..
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Charles on August 09, 2014, 02:45:05 PM
A better pic of the rudder installed..
Title: Nicely Done!
Post by: ebb on August 10, 2014, 09:28:01 AM
Don't forget the GUDGEON STRAP.
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Charles on August 10, 2014, 02:13:18 PM
I have thoughts of not reinstalling the Gudgeon strap, the strap had worn a deep 1" wide groove in the old rod, maybe you could help by giving me reasons to reuse it, there are 4 large stainless screws through the shaft into the rudder and six layers of resin around the rod and over rudder. my thoughts are, enough is enough, but I am wrong on occasion.....
Title: gudgeon strap
Post by: ebb on August 11, 2014, 08:31:57 AM
The copper strap keeps the rudder shaft inline
so that when it gets bumped up out of its seat in the shoe
it will fall back into place.

The rudder system is held in place at the ends of the six foot shaft
by the shoe....  and by the plastic bearing under the tiller head fitting.

The tiller head shaft fitting is not designed to keep the rudder in the boat
if it is not seated in the rudder shoe.
The shoe takes the full weight and work of shaft and rudder blade.
The shaft alone can weigh 22lbs, if I recall.

The "GUDGEON" is in reality a piece of copper strap that holds the shaft
in allgnment with the top bearing sleeve and the seat in the shoe.
IT SHOULD NOT BE ANY TIGHTER THAN NECESSARY.
It seems unlikely that a copper strap could wear a groove in a bronze shaft.
The bronze shaft you mention could have experienced internal galvanic corrosion
if  the wrong alloy was used in salt water.
Or not zinced.

When it comes time to remove the rudder,  screws or nuts are removed
from one side of the strap, the strap is then bent 'open' about 90 degrees
and with the sleeve bearing removed from the rudder tube
the shaft and blade can be lifted out of the shoe,  shifted to port or starboard
enough to bypass the shoe and allow it to be dropped out of the boat.

This is why there is no bearing in the boat where the shaft enters the tube,
as there is in many other sailboats including Pearson's first commercial success:
the Triton.  Our system requires that there be adequate open space in the hull
where the shaft enters.

Imco the gudgeon strap should be included in your rebuild.....for safety.
All 700 of the factory Ariels and Commanders had that strap. (not entirely sure.)
The long shaft needs that third midpoint connection to stabilize the system.
imco.
Title: Ariel 408 LINDA ANNE
Post by: Charles on August 11, 2014, 09:37:57 AM
Thanks, I have secured the bottom of the shaft to the after market shoe with a 1/4-20 bolt and washers, it can not jump out of the (shoe) I had a hole drilled in the top of the shaft and tapped to take a 1/4-20 bolt, to mount a strap  there, just seemed to be a better application...