Ariel & Commander Owners

Ariel Association => Technical => Topic started by: Travis1984 on February 04, 2013, 06:10:07 AM

Title: Should I or not
Post by: Travis1984 on February 04, 2013, 06:10:07 AM
I recently salvaged this boat from my buddies dock the cabin was flooded out I pumped it out the floor in there is very soft. I'm new to sailing but I was going to try and fix it up to sail. I'm not sure if it is worth it or not it has all sails and rigging looks ok. Other than that I don't no what to look for so I was wondering if there is anything I should look at before I under take this project. The boat is 65 commander no hull number that I could find . Any input would be appreciated thanks
Title: You Should...
Post by: ebb on February 04, 2013, 11:23:23 AM
after you look up every Commander thread on this website -
And make a decision then what level of refurbish you want to do.

I would start by looking at  an early model Commander rehab by paulproesser C #5.

Our boats have a way of appearing different when photoghraphed from different angles.
Your Commander looks like it has an extended cabin,  shortened cockpit,  I'm not sure.


This wedsite here is an amazing resource, if you really want to fix her up.:cool:
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Later EDIT:   What Mike says below is right on!
Perhaps the best pedigree ID is to get a look at the body below the waterlins
and what lind of ballast does she have.
Title: Should I or not
Post by: mbd on February 04, 2013, 11:33:22 AM
I don't think it's a Commander. Different sized portals, the cabin front is too square, and the cockpit looks way too short. I was just trying to figure out what it might be.

Mephisto Cat is a 64-65 vintage: http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showthread.php?1552-Commander-155-Mephisto-Cat&p=14528#post14528

Lucky Dog is a 64: http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showthread.php?1604-Commander-65-quot-Lucky-Dawg-quot&p=15091#post15091
Title: Should I or not
Post by: Tony G on February 04, 2013, 12:20:30 PM
Once again I marvel at your impecable eye, Mike.  I glanced over her way too fast.  But hey, the price is right for a starter.  If you think this is something you want to persue, Travis, you can always "upgrade"* down the road!

*personal pearsoncentric predjudice
Title: Should I or not
Post by: Travis1984 on February 04, 2013, 12:31:54 PM
I'm pretty sure it's a commander the portholes looks as if they have been replaced. The interior looks like one cockpit is big the pic might be a little deseving . It would be my first sailboat I'm gonna at least get it in decent sailing condition . I got it for free in the process of getting the title that should tell me what it is
Title: Should I or not
Post by: c_amos on February 04, 2013, 03:04:50 PM
Travis,

  I think she looks like a fine little ship.  Enjoy her!
Title: Should I or not
Post by: Fritz on February 04, 2013, 07:05:37 PM
It kinda looks like an O'Day Outlaw to me.  Either way, she is a nice looking boat.
Title: Fritz Got It!
Post by: ebb on February 04, 2013, 07:32:32 PM
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=436
has a great page and brochure photo with  all the data you'll ever need!


Also in THIS  Forum on the General/OffTopic page, look up

O'Day Outlaw - Commander cousin.   Great photos!


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(you know,  a dead give away is something Alberg would never do:
 that high boxy hatch over the lazarette...... is by Rhodes.)
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Fine boat!   After 45 years  probably a very rusty keel ? ? ?
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http://oday.sailboatowners.com/
Title: Should I or not
Post by: Travis1984 on February 04, 2013, 08:30:07 PM
Quote from: ebb;25420http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=436
has a great page and photo with all the data you'd ever need!


Also in this Forum on the General/OffTopic page, look up

O'Day Outlaw - Commander cousin.   Some great photos
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(you know,  a dead give away is something Alberg would never do:
 that high boxy hatch over the lazarette...... is by Rhodes.)
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Fine boat!   After 50 years  probably a very rusty keel ? ? ?
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http://oday.sailboatowners.com/


No the keel is fine and the rudder was taken off somebody has done some work to this boat before I got I don't no what they may have done but that stuff looks old but ok I will have to look at that sailboat you mentioned I did some research but commander was the closes I found but never herd of the other one I will check it out thanks
Title: Should I or not
Post by: Travis1984 on February 04, 2013, 08:37:10 PM
You are right it is a oday outlaw made almost same years looks very similar thanks for that info. Kinda sucks I did a lot of research getting specs and stuff to help me with refurb now have to start over again
Title: Should I or not
Post by: mbd on February 05, 2013, 08:41:57 AM
Good find!  I was looking at that squarish after-hatch and the cockpit locker in the after portion of the seat instead of the middle...  I agree with Fritz and Craig, that is indeed a fine looking vessel you got there and I'm sure she will gratefully return any and all the affections you afford her. (My first boat was also an O'Day.)  And the price was right too! Congrats!